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Mirh (talkcontribs)

Just some things may worth to be mentioned in the article:

  • Random lag spikes on wi-fi could be resolved by disabling Windows automatic network scan possibly no more valid
  • Streaming can just handle stereo sound [WIP][ADDED] [ADDED2] ["improved"]
  • Linux systems might have rumble issues

And then the biggest annoyance for me is not being able to use the host computer for something else whilst it's streaming (it's not just me that would like to play on a netbook).
I read several workarounds (like Virtual Machines and Multiseat desktop). Though these are still far from simplicity
some "benchmarks"

Albeit in-home streaming by itself isn't API limited, Steam Link only works with XInput (this indirectly means there's a 4 controllers hard limit)

Other trivia: DXVA2 is used for hardware decoding in Windows. This means basically any GPU since 2006-2007 (but some special cases) and ideally no XP support. There seems to be a specific W8+ decoder (ICodecAPI ?)

Linux side supports both VAAPI and VDAPU (again with exceptions)

Intriguingly Windows XP host support was a thing in the past.
And intriguingly, it seems Broadcasting doesn't share the same "platform"\API than this.

The flickering problem gets more apparent when I use amd VCE encoding, but it's still slightly there regardless.

I guess like "discovery" should go first, but we go by finding order here, so..

Example of edge case. Broadcast network address must be unfiltered (in both directions preferably, otherwise you need to force the "sending capable" machine to re-advertise itself by toggling repeatedly the checkbox in steam options), in addition to port 27036.

p.s. protocol has been partially documented

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Mirh (talkcontribs)

So, while I was looking for ways to stop those auto-updates.. (trivia: there was never a setting, as explained in my new reference)
..I stumbled upon this. What do we now about Steam console?

I tried the method suggested there, but it didn't work.. Though I had never heard of this steam://open/console, seems interesting

btw, I found "Automatic updates" setting is no longer saved where claimed in the previous link, but instead in each game appmanifest_####.acf

Cyanic (talkcontribs)

The console has some interesting commands, such as ones to list all the subscriptions you have, the config of a game, and downloading individual depots. It can also be used to change some variables within Steam. It's not recommended for the end user to try, as they could bork things, and the commands are not documented with any amount of detail. I remember Steam.cfg from some Steam hacking site a bunch of years ago, and it is actually still used now (for Steamworks developers so they can test their builds).

Garrett (talkcontribs)

The Steam#Steam Offline Mode override method should still work (at least last time I tried it).

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In order to run Steam properly in this version of Windows, the Steam service component must be installed. The service installation process requires administrative privileges.

RaTcHeT302 (talkcontribs)

I might as well document this seeing as it has been annoying as shit in the past occasionaly

running steam once as an admin fixes it

RaTcHeT302 (talkcontribs)

I just realized, you might as well just do a clean install in order to solve all these problems once in for all. Proper clean install though. I never encountered this ever again anyway, I'm not sure what triggered it.

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RaTcHeT302 (talkcontribs)


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RaTcHeT302 (talkcontribs)

Could someone clear up the whole Family Sharing stuff as to how it works? I'm not sure what else should be added back, there was a ref but it was dead, so I'm not sure which infos are accurate.

RaTcHeT302 (talkcontribs)

Sorry I forgot to add that I was referring to these

MetalPlateMage (talkcontribs)

Sure. To get it working you log into Steam with each account you want to share, go to Settings->Family and click "Authorize this computer" and make sure "Share" is selected for each account you want under "Eligible accounts". It sounds easy but it's kind of a delicate process in practice that's easy to screw up.

Functionally it works as if you own the game with separate saves and such.

As for DRM... the FAQ is kind of out of date and is a bit ambiguous. It says:"No, due to technical limitations, some Steam games may be unavailable for sharing. For example, titles that require an additional third-party key, account, or subscription in order to play cannot be shared between accounts.".

With the newer versions it works with various types of 3rd party key and account DRM now and most MMOs (which it didn't previously due to account DRM being flagged). The main offenders are primarily uPlay games now with DLC account keys. Most others can be shared, even reality pump DRM stuff like Two Worlds and EA account stuff like Alice Madness returns. On release it didn't work with basically anything flagged with 3rd party DRM, which is probably the cause of a bit of a confusion with some people.

EDIT: Of course, the DRM itself is shared and not separated.

EDIT2: As for how it functionally works with someone else using it: if the account's main owner is playing a different game than the one you want to play, or someone else is using a shared game, you are presented the "buy" option instead of install/play.

Marioysikax (talkcontribs)

For some reason I feel like mentioning about VAC banning should be noted. If user playing shared game gets VAC banned, ban will automatically go to the account who shared the game for the player. That's why it's good to know only using family share with - well - family and really really close friends. Family share is huge step up from sharing account logins to share the game with friend, but it's still risky.

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RaTcHeT302 (talkcontribs)

Is this another placebo effect? Also I'm thinking that this is only going to potentially break some other stuff, unless you really need to fiddle around with this. Please add it back if it's a valid solution, unless it breaks stuff of course, I honestly doubt this will make Steam any better anyway, I'd rather leave the checkbox on for the most part.

What does this actually do anyway? It's kinda unclear to me.

Blackbird (talkcontribs)

I recall seeing this ages ago and it really helped a bit since that default setting does something stupid I don't remember now.

Expack3 (talkcontribs)

Basically, this prevents Windows from attempting to detect proxy settings for your currently-connected LAN. Despite most modern LANs not using proxies, if you don't use this fix, Windows will, for compatibility reasons, attempt to determine if your LAN requires a proxy every time you go to a new webpage. That's what the "Automatically Detect Settings" checkbox in the LAN Settings of the Connections tab controls, that is, it controls whether or not Windows attempts to detect your LAN's proxy settings (or lack thereof).

If your network happens to use a proxy, performing this fix will break your network connection unless you've manually specified the proxy that's a good reason for a disclaimer note. Otherwise, as already stated, most modern LANs don't use proxies anymore, so this is a safe fix.

Oh, and in my personal experience, it does work as advertised. All my browsers, not just the Steam browser, are significantly faster - and I know because I've been experiencing significant lag for quite a few months now despite the physical connection and hardware on my end being fine, and I haven't been able to pin down the reason why. I've also noticed Steam runs faster in general when it displays web-based content (like Community Hubs, your profile, the store page, etc.), much snappier.

RaTcHeT302 (talkcontribs)

I'll add it back then. Thanks.

RaTcHeT302 (talkcontribs)

It all still kinda feels the same to me, I'm not really seeing the difference, but whatever.

Expack3 (talkcontribs)

Yeah...unlike what the original poster in the ref claims, this isn't a cure-all for Internet speed - heck, he's even playing salesman by quoting satisfied 'customers'. Not everyone's gonna need this fix, and there will still be users who need to let Windows auto-detect proxy settings. That's why I added "in my personal experience" in my initial response - it works for me, but just because it does for me doesn't mean it will work for you.

RaTcHeT302 (talkcontribs)

I'll probably add the note you mentioned and this thing you said now as a note, I can't be bothered right now though, thanks however again.

Expack3 (talkcontribs)

Already added the note. :)

RaTcHeT302 (talkcontribs)

I mean the whole Steam page is a mess, and the only reason I started cleaning it up is Steam broke on me, I stumbled on some issues but I figured out what was going on so I felt like noting this stuff down. I should probably mention the appmanifest stuff somewhere, and how to backup these games properly, along with the savegames, I've lost my GTA V savegame seeing as I thought it was stored on Steam Cloud, blah.

RaTcHeT302 (talkcontribs)

Oh and sorry if I keep swearing in the history thingy, I never mean any of that in a bad way, but cleaning messy pages is a pain in the butt, it's nice to see the end result though.

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Mirh (talkcontribs)

Little remainder to say sometimes you can spot problems in:

RaTcHeT302 (talkcontribs)

What informations to do such logs store? Other than the obvious title.

Mirh (talkcontribs)

The obvious title info.
Which may be useful here or here
ps: information is uncountable

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Nicereddy (talkcontribs)
  • Remove Steam on Wine section since it's now officially supported on Linux.
  • Move General Information Section up to the top with the General information tag.
  • Remove Windows/Mac/Linux section headers and implement a general 'Issues and Fixes' section. OS-specific problems can be titled as such: 'Issue (OS)'.
  • Improve 'Sales' section with links to websites that list Steam sales (there are various) including SteamDB. Also delete sections with nothing underneath them.
  • Separate System Requirements into 3 separate per-OS tables.
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Pendragon (talkcontribs)

There is a glitch with offline mode. Sometimes if you try to sign into online mode (especially if you have never done it before), it will attempt to connect to the Internet, and sign in to Steam anyway. The fix is to log into Steam where you are online, select "Go Offline" from the menu, then restart Steam, and Offline Mode will work properly. All of that information is here on the wiki, of course, but it is hard to understand the way it is written. If you are just looking for a fix to make offline mode work, it's easy to overlook the solution (the Authentication section). I would try to fix this, but I can't think of how to reword what is written without losing the current information or being redundant. Any ideas?

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