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I posted this in Reddit today: http://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/tsljr/drm_free_games_on_steam_are_you_guys_up_to/
This is basically a list that don't require Steam to run. As a user pointed out, they all are not necessarily DRM-Free, free from Steam DRM.
What's the best way to include in this wiki? Do I include this info in the game's articles and create a category or do I create a new page?
Hiya, I have been following that thread (I am Daily_concern).
From this wiki's point of view, I am not interested in creating just a list of games- if you only want a list then I suggest working with this page. Eventually, this wiki will contain ALL DRM/DRM-free information, but on individual game article pages, so I don't mind where you go.
If you'd like to contribute to the wiki, 'DRM-free' info would be very useful on individual game pages. The PCGamingWiki:Sample_Article_Layout has an availability/DRM table to indicate whether a game is DRM-free or not.
For example, you could indicate that, even though the game is bought from Steam, it is also 100% DRM-free, by using the two unlock icons:
We have just developed this new table, so I'm hoping to get it into more article pages as soon as possible, just lacking time and contributors to help with it :).
Thanks so much for dropping by, I hope you stay a while :).
Thank you for your response. I look forward to contributing here too.
Just to clarify, what do you mean with DRM-free? Do you get a DRM-free copy from Steam? Don't you need to open Steam before installing/loading the game? (talk) 15:50, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
Many games, like Bastion, can be run without Steam. This makes them effectively DRM free. When you buy Bastion from Steam, it gives you a 'Steam' version and a 'DRM-free' version.
Similarly, if you buy Legend of Grimrock from the developer website, you get a DRM free installer, as well as a Steam key.
Nice. Two different installers, then.
If you directly run most Steam-sourced game exes with the Steam client closed, that will launch Steam, trigger a login check, kick your Steam username out of any other computer, and if you really own this game, finally run. This standard Steam DRM is used by most games, but there is a publishing option to leave it out. At that point, the game could still use its own (such as being an online-only game anyway and using a, for lack of better term, CD key). Or, the game can do no check whatsoever, and just play. You can just zip up the game, drop it on a new computer, and play without ever being bothered by Steam again.
The other side being discussed here is that many indie games simply offer several download options with your one purchase, so you could get a DRM-free installer and also a Steam key. The Steam version might have DRM applied, or may not. You already got a DRM-free copy, so what's the diff?
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This also uses wikitext!
(Just wanted to see how two threads look together.)
Edit: I lied about the wikitext.
I think it only really supports links
Dirty console gaming peasants.
Ooo a nice forum setup.
So I've been wondering about how to handle browser based games within the categories of the site. The one example I've been focusing on is Bastion. It's a fully featured game for Windows and Mac. There is also an identical version for Google's Chrome browser which allows the game to be played on Linux. The game can run on Linux, but it doesn't have a native Linux client, so should it be listed in the Linux category? I personally don't think it should.
And would a new category devoted to browser games be appropriate? It's a growing category of games with plenty of fully featured games. Games like Quake Live, AirMech and Tiger Woods Online run within a browser. Games running within a browser aren't restricted to crappy flash games and facebook games anymore. A category for them makes sense to me.
Hi MattyFTM thanks for the feedback and all the edits :).
I am actually of the opinion that Bastion and other games should be in the Linux category, if it can be played natively (as it would be if it was on Chrome on Linux). I would consider the Chrome store another launcher/updater (like Steam or Origin) that just happens to work on Linux. There isn't anything that really distinguishes browser based games, except that they can be played on multiple platforms. Furthermore, not every browser app store works on every OS (or future OS) so it's not really a guide for compatibility either.
Are our categories too restrictive? Should there be more categories? Would it aid or hinder navigation? I'm happy to take more feedback on this.
Yeah, I suppose the fact that it can be run on Linux without some form of emulation software like WINE does lean towards including it in the Linux category. I guess I just feel like there should be some differentiation between the Mac and Windows versions which run directly on the operating system, and the Chrome version which goes via the web browser. But looking at the web browser as just another launcher like Steam is probably a good way to handle things and the article itself can explain all of that, it doesn't have to be done via categories.
As for categories in general, it's a tricky balancing act. On one hand, keeping everything as simple as possible certainly makes it all easy to understand and navigate. But more flexibility can make it easier to browse. For now I'd say it's fine. The only issue would be as more and more games get added, the categories become less and less useful. There is very little value in looking down an alphabetised list of thousands and thousands of games. But then I don't know I would approach splitting it up more granularly. I totally support not having genre info, you don't want to end up with games having a million genre categories - that just makes things a mess. Better sorting of categories could make things easier, for example sorting games by release date. But as far as I'm aware, that's not something MediaWiki allows. So ultimately, I don't know.
I am considering the use of Semantic Media Wiki - which is an extension which allows for machine-readable data to be entered and used, like a database. However I think this is a bit out of scope of the wiki at the moment as it's quite a complex module and I need to have more time to explore its full uses.
Thanks for the suggestions, lots of stuff to think about. Thanks for all the edits, it's very much appreciated around here!
You know, I was going to mention SMW, but I wasn't sure how much detail I'd have to go into with the proposal, or whether you could be arsed commitment-wise :P
I haven't used SMW before, but from what I've read, I think it 'solves' much of the problems of expandability I was thinking of, especially with categories and sorting pages (for example, sorting a games list by DRM, or by whether it supports invert Y-axis, etc). Is it a huge commitment to implement - do you have much experience using it?
As the title says, I can't login to the forums. I'm currently logging in through Steam's OpenID.
I had the exact same problem, OpenID is a mess that we should probably get rid of.
If you go to "My preferences" can you add an email for your account? I think that should fix it.
OpenID is great. It's just that the way it's implemented for Steam is absolutely incorrect and not valid.
Unfortunately, no I can't. I need a valid password to add e-mail addresses; but I also need a valid e-mail address to reset my password, so I'm afraid I'm stuck :P
When I started this site, I always intended to host information about removing certain DRM restrictions. However, I received a fair amount of warning from well-wishers that we should not include this information because it could have legal repercussions. However, I don't see any harm in linking to files and information to removing DRM from games (for example Fallout 3 GFWL removal mod, as long as we are not hosting the actual files. I'm also going to eventually writeup more in-depth articles on specific DRM like GFWL which will include important information like how to remove it, which will likely have performance improvements in most games. Any thoughts?
Sounds fine - if someone makes threats we can always just take it down, and stuff like No CD cracks for games that were released ages ago - I can't see the publisher caring that much.
If I were you, I wouldn't risk.
But that's up to you.
You could always place some disclaimer, such as "We are not responsible for the content of sites we are linking to", but...
I would highly recommend to contact a lawyer first.
What about if we had a 10 year rule or something?
I agree with Dravic, I do not think it's worth the hassle. If we start such a rule then it only takes one publisher/developer/license holder to bring the whole site down. And I think it's a bit optimistic to hope for a simple "take it down and everything will be OK". There would most likely be a cease and desist at which point any other potential copyright infringement for that same license holder could be called into question.
Basically, I think we should allow the wider internet to deal with such issues and focus on what is legal and constructive within the gaming community - if we blur the line between legal/illegal then it'll snowball into something bigger.
To elaborate, I think whatever stance we take (especially if we take a 'no tolerance' policy on such a matter) then we need to state it clearly and in detail on the homepage, referring specifically to what kind of hacks/exploits are not allowed.
What if we were to have some sort of generic guide for removing DRM services, but never actually talk about specific games. We could link to other sites that provides resources and information on more specific things, but never actually mention specific games when talking about DRM removal on PCGW itself. That would hopefully avoid getting into legal issues with publishes since we wouldn't be saying "Here is how you remove the DRM from Game X".
What about games such as Re-Volt? Its publisher and developer have been defunct for years, and its classed as abandonware. The developer released a No CD patch ages ago, but other games in a similar situation may not have.
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Hi there, wouldn't it be useful to supplement the Fixbox template with a template for unresolved issues, which, just like how cleanup works, would be tracked on it's own category page?
Currently no page on this but that's probably because it's unavailable these days on digital download. I installed a copy recently on a Win 7 64-bit machine and found it playable until the character gets stuck in a floating position, at which point if you attempt to go up or downstairs, your vertical position becomes locked, forcing a reload. No idea how or if these problems are resolvable.
I recently purchased Bioshock on steam as I wanted to play it before Bioshock Infinite, and I simply can't get it to run.
My specs are: Win7 x64 ultimate sp1, NVIDIA GTX 660 Ti SLI x2, 16.0 GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 665MHz, Intel Core i7 2600K @ 3.40GHz and a Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. Z77X-UD3H mobo
I can get it to run past the main menu. I can get the main menu up fine, but when selecting new game it will go to a loading screen and promptly crash. I've tried running it with the -nosound command, did not change a thing, I've followed every troubleshooting guide I can find, nothing seems to help. I just want to get the game running. Any advice would be very appreciated.
What error are you getting? Or just crash to desktop without any dialogs at all?
You have more than capable PC to run it so I'm afraid that something in you operating system is causing this. I've run into something similar with Hitman and AC3 and installing recommended updates from Windows Update helped. Other generic advices: install all redistributables from Bioshock install folder, update DirectX and all drivers in you system (GPU, soundcard, chipset etc.).
If I recall correctly after loading there is prerendered movie so maybe some codecs in your system can be causing this.
All of my drivers, directx, and windows are up to date. As for codecs aside from what comes standard, I think the only specific codecs I've installed are CCCP for media files.
Here is the error report windows gave, if it helps:
Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
Application Name: bioshock.exe
Application Version: 126.96.36.199
Application Timestamp: 474f5a3a
Fault Module Name: bioshock.exe
Fault Module Version: 188.8.131.52
Fault Module Timestamp: 474f5a3a
Exception Code: c0000005
Exception Offset: 003d44a1
OS Version: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.1
Locale ID: 1033
Additional Information 1: 0a9e
Additional Information 2: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
Additional Information 3: 0a9e
Additional Information 4: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
Try upgrading/reinstalling your videocard drivers, as well as all your other system drivers. Try uninstalling and reinstalling/updating direct x. Do any other games do this?
I've reinstalled my videocard drivers and directx so much I could do it in my sleep, unfortunately, and all my system drivers are currently up to date as well. No other games have this issue, just Bioshock.
If it's on steam, try validating the game cache. If it's not on steam, try installing the latest patch available on it. Try this too: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/244628-33-bioshock-solution-intial-load-screen-black
Also, just to be sure, you've reinstalled DirectX 9 & 10, right?
I'd also try disabling SLI for Bioshock in the Nvidia control center, seeing if that fixes something.
My final suggestion is to simply trudge through here and try all the different fixes: http://forums.steamgames.com/forums/showthread.php?s=6ed23ae7c0461e00bdc12f36ac6c6197&t=1133842
Reinstalling your Windows will help. Install only drivers, Steam, Bioshock and it's redistributables. If it is running OK, start slowly installing applications and testing Bioshock after each two or three installations to figure out what is causing that crash.
I've run in many unsolvable issues over the years and fresh OS install is the best solution. Just look at how many hours you've spend on trying different fixes, when fresh OS install+apps will take you two to four hours.
I handle the backend of PCGW and wanted to know if there are any little things that annoy you, or any slow pages or bugs that you have found
This site is already a useful resource, but it'd be excellent if there were a way to view games at a glance (like Steam daily deals) and get an idea if the PC version of the game is a lazy but acceptable port to PC; a terrible, unoptimised version that needs lots of tweaking to get decent framerate or controls; or that the PC version is actually the best version of a given game.
Agreed. I tink we're starting to discuss something like that. Hit up the IRC sometime, we can always use suggestions.
We are currently looking for someone to help implement Semantic MediaWiki on the site. If you know anyone, please direct them to me.
I just wanted to announce that I'll be allowing links to PCGamesN 'channels' for the time being as part of a partnership, please don't remove them. --Andytizer (talk)
I added a suggestion to the "request site features" section on GOG of adding links to a game's PCGamingWiki article from its gamecard here: http://www.gog.com/en/wishlist/site/add_a_link_from_a_games_gamecard_to_the_relevant_article_on_pcgamingwiki
The more votes it gets, the higher up the list it goes, and the more likely it is to be seen by a GOG employee and hopefully be added in some form (which would increase traffic/users here)!
Whoah thanks this is big.. I'll promote it tomorrow when it's peak internet time.
I think we should provide information about whether or not a specific game allows for YouTube monetization. Possibly a simple text line (with a thumbs-up icon) and a link at the top of the game's article.
If you're asking yourself why go through the trouble, I can tell you that as a YouTube partner it's not always easy to find that remote forum post, tweet or other official statement regarding monetization. Crowd-sourcing the efforts makes the task easier. It will also help PCGamingWiki's reputation and expand its user-base without deviating from its original goals.
Thanks for posting the link to the YouTube from TGS where TotalBiscuit spoke about it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-1B-HQq3lEY#t=1098s
We may end up creating a new wiki for this topic.
Some nonsense have been added to the Grand Theft Auto: Vice City article and now I'm reporting it.
Not sure if there is a easy way revert it, might do it manually.
Thank you for the report, appropriate action has been taken.
Steam supports OpenID and while it is possible to manually put http://steamcommunity.com/openid into the signup/login box, I doubt many people know about that. Most editors here probably have a Steam account, so I feel adding it to the default suggestions would make sense.
Thanks this is a really excellent idea. I'm not sure how feasible it will be to implement this as I will have to defer to JRWR (our server admin) to see if it's possible.
ok, so, since EA had that glitch/giveaway/callitwhateveryouwant thing where people got games for free, i've had troubles with mine, i got BC2 because i've always wanted it on PC because it's amazing and the multiplayer looks good... so, when i go to play, the game is ALL about origin, at first this wasn't a big deal, till i realized i can't play MP because origin has no servers... is there a way to export the game to Steam and use their servers?
No, it's not possible to transfer games you own on Origin to Steam. You will have to contact Origin support about your issue.
The game shouldn't be forcing you to use just Origin servers. You should be able to see/access all of the games servers from in the game. Like Pridit said, you should talk to Origin support for that.
There are some games that when I launch, all it does is open a window frame. If I move my cursor into the frame, the cursor turns black. The game never loads. I don't know if they have anything in common, but here some of the games I remember: Overgrowth Alpha, Toribash, Gish and FTL. I run Windows Vista.
Help to fix this problem, if it's even fixable, would be greatly appreciated.
We have a ton of it, Here is the list my bot came up with, Please reslove this
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I'm new here, so maybe I missed something, but I can only find one link to wikipedia in the Bastion article - it is correct, with the closing ')'. How come it's not correct in your listing? -- Karol (talk) 19:20, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
Because JRWR probably terminated a string wrong or something. No big deal. A false positive, as it were.
Wikipedia links in 'Intel (CPU)' article are fine too. The same pattern: closing ')'.
Do I have to copy the whole list and strike out the false positives? The thread is going to be miles long.
Nope. Just post which ones are fine and I'll strike them out on my post.